QL: Right. Not that it would be the primary reason to do it, but drug
legalization would be a great way to bolster government coffers and help get us
out of the recession.
Emery: It certainly would, and we could finally cut the number of police down in
this country significantly. The problem is, police often blackmail politicians.
Most politicians have something in their past, and politicians are quickly made
aware of it when they try to oppose various policing initiatives that involve
the budget or staffing. The police know plenty about everybody, and everybody, I
think, has something to hide—something they once did that was illegal, that
maybe shouldn’t be illegal, but is nonetheless illegal. Virtually every
politician has done some drugs of some kind, or has got some nasty sexual
incident in their past, and police exploit that when they’re dealing with
QL: Well, speaking of that: U.S. President Barack Obama has admitted to using
both marijuana and cocaine. It seems hypocritical for him to throw people in
jail for doing what he himself has done. Is he the President to end the War on
Emery: Oh, goodness, no. It’ll be President Ron Paul in 2012.
QL: Well, that would be good!
Emery: No, that’ll be awesome, and that’s what’s gonna happen. Barack Obama is a
likable, seemingly intelligent person, which is what allowed him to win, but he
has exactly the same policies as his predecessor, right? So, he’s not that
intelligent, nor is he that advanced or that liberal. He’s just the status quo.
But Ron Paul will appeal to conservatives, and will appeal to libertarians, and
will appeal to disaffected liberals who will be crushed when those wars in Iraq
and Afghanistan don’t end. I mean, who’s Dennis Kucinich gonna support in 2012
if troops are still in Afghanistan and still in Iraq? Dennis Kucinich would vote
for Ron Paul, and I think a lot of liberals would probably vote for Ron Paul.
You know, Barack Obama only beat John McCain by nine million votes. I think Ron
Paul could easily steal five to ten million votes back from Barack Obama and win
the Presidency in 2012. And he said his first act would be to strike out all DEA
raids on medical marijuana patients. He said that would be the first thing he
would do as President. Unlike every other candidate who almost never even wants
to talk about marijuana, Ron Paul said that would be his first policy decision
as President of the United States.
Oh, I’m totally down with Ron Paul. Best American politician this century, last
century. The greatest man in America today. And I think his health is gonna stay
great, and I think he’s gonna make Gary Johnson his Vice Presidential candidate,
which would be excellent because it would maintain fidelity of the philosophy if
Ron Paul were to die in office. I think a Paul-Johnson ticket is what you’re
gonna see. Excellent names, really good guys. People who aren’t gonna embarrass
us by having had affairs. Heck, Ron Paul’s never even seen marijuana, and he is
still in favour of repealing prohibition. Those are the two best libertarian
politicians that have a chance for the Republican nomination, and I think Ron
Paul’s gonna be able to raise a hundred million dollars. I think he’ll be able
to raise that in a heartbeat. They’ll raise 25 million for him in one day, you
QL: Why wouldn’t Barack Obama end the Drug War? The Drug War is carried out in a
very racist manner, after all. Why wouldn’t he grab that as an issue?
Emery: Well, because he’s not as enlightened as people want to believe, that’s
all. Also, the institution of the Presidency tends to change people. He keeps
becoming more establishment, more fundamentalist, more Christian, more religious,
and getting away from his liberal roots, his roots with the people, roots when
he was a pot smoker and all of those free-spirited, critical thinking kinds of
things. Well, he doesn’t do any of that now. He’s a Harvard professor who’s
propped up and supported by the banking industry and the financial industry.
He’s made tons of deals left, right, and center to get to become President. And
basically, he’s a very cautious, pragmatic man. And that’s not the kind of
person you need to be President, the kind who’s gonna change anything. He’s
maintained the status quo perfectly in every possible way without changing
anything fundamentally whatsoever, and that’s why Ron Paul’s gonna look very
attractive after people are disillusioned with Barack Obama—and boy, they will
be really disillusioned in four years.
For one thing, we’re gonna have these bubbles a lot, because the United States
has inflated the currency. The dollar will continue to tank, gold will keep
going higher, and eventually we’ll see the price of commodities all rising, and
there’s gonna be a period of stagflation in the United States for several years.
We’re gonna see rising prices without any corresponding increase in production,
and you know, people are gonna be disappointed. We’ve got nine percent
unemployment in the United States now, which is unprecedented in recent times.
And it doesn’t seem like there’s going to be any swing back any time soon.
So I would say that the United States is going through a crisis of confidence,
and someone like Ron Paul—confident, forthright, honest, straightforward—will be
very, very appealing to a wide range of Americans in 2012. You know, sometimes
you need the perfect storm to make things happen. How do we make Ron Paul
popular? Well, first of all, every other Republican, I think, has been
discredited—except maybe Mitt Romney, but he just doesn’t have any traction with
a wide number of people in America. I think Ron Paul’s gonna continue to shine,
and I think we’re gonna see a lot of his influence in Congress and the Senate—with
people like Peter Schiff and Tom McClintock—guys that are very much like Ron
Paul. So he’s getting a kind of caucus together now in the Congress, and he’s
trusted by more people than ever before, when he used to be considered a pariah.
So I think Ron Paul is still in the ascendant.
QL: Just getting back to Barack Obama for a second: No hope of a Presidential
pardon from him, then?
Emery: Well, it’s probably a better bet than it was with George W. Bush, but
that’s not necessarily saying much. He might decide to do it. Depends how many
letters he got, or whether we could make it the number one Internet issue. You
know, if he had another town hall and took questions from Americans and three
million Americans made it their number one question, he’d probably consider it.
If you’ve got a few million people making noise on your behalf, things are gonna
happen, let’s face it. So, that’s what it’s gonna require. It’s gonna require
hundreds of thousands of Americans unrelentingly bothering someone to make
things happen. And that’s the only way anything ever happens.
QL: One last question: After everything that’s happened, and with what seems
likely to happen soon, are you still a happy warrior?
Emery: Oh, yeah, pretty happy. I’m really happy now. But then I don’t think of
the future any more than I typically think of the past—except I romanticize the
past, so everything I ever think about the past is all good, right? But as you
get further away from the actual centre of the pain that you were once in, you
remember the lessons of the difficult times, but you don’t feel the pain, so
that’s why everything gets better with time. So, for example, my first stint in
jail, when I was in Saskatoon Correctional for 67 days from August to October
2004, I didn’t like it while I was there. It’s very difficult. I was very
traumatized by it. But when I got out, and I thought about it, and I looked at
all the work I did, all the things I read, and all the lessons I learned, I had
many epiphanies and great revelations in jail. So now when I look back, I see
all the lessons I learned, but I don’t feel any of the pain, because that was
then and this is now and I can’t feel something five years later that happened
then. But I can remember it, and I can remember with some degree of wisdom what
the good parts were, more than I remember how painful it was. So that’s what
happens when you get older. And that’s a good thing to know, that whatever pain
we’re in right now is not necessarily the way we’re always going to feel about
QL: Right. And you can take something from it, something positive.
Emery: Well, through our adversity, we achieve higher levels of consciousness.
As someone who smokes marijuana, I’ve gotta believe that, right? That’s what the
Buddha meant when he said, “Life is suffering.” He didn’t mean you were supposed
to suffer. He meant that through suffering, we come to a higher level of
consciousness because we begin to appreciate things like life, mortality, and
health. We begin to develop empathy. So, through suffering, we find out where
we’re going in life and make decisions and plan our paths based around what
we’ve learned from that suffering. That’s what he meant. So, let’s hope I take
something good from this experience, too. The key thing is you never want to get
jaded and bitter because of the pain that’s inflicted on you. Because that’s
when you get vengeful and start lashing out. You always hope that you can keep
your Zen centre so that when you get out, you’re an even more peaceful,
benevolent person than you were when you went in. So you can’t let the
experience destroy the character within you that’s good.
QL: Well, that sounds like a great message to leave people with, so thanks again
for your time.
Emery: Talk to you when I get out!